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	<title>Comments on: Verizon Calls (read: Whines) for Broadband Incentives (read: Public Handouts)</title>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to disagree with mark.  I think the ISP competition is good for prices.  I mean prices are always going down.  The prices might not be as good as other countries but I know the competition has helped http://showmethebroadband.com to succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to disagree with mark.  I think the ISP competition is good for prices.  I mean prices are always going down.  The prices might not be as good as other countries but I know the competition has helped <a href="http://showmethebroadband.com" rel="nofollow">http://showmethebroadband.com</a> to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark: I think you&#039;re absolutely right, but the reasons behind these facts isn&#039;t that competition isn&#039;t working because there&#039;s competition, it&#039;s that competition isn&#039;t working because there just simply isn&#039;t enough of it. 

In most areas of the US that have broadband access, most consumers are pigeonholed into essentially two choices: cable or DSL, the former run by their local cable affiliate (likely Comcast) or the latter by their phone company. (likely Verizon, AT&amp;T, etc, but never more than one of these) Even in areas where there are more than these simple two options, the &quot;competing&quot; companies are renting their telephone and cable lines to provide DSL and cable service to customers FROM the major telecomms - meaning &quot;Jim&#039;s Cable Internet&quot; in Ohio is probably paying Comcast for use of its lines, and &quot;Bob&#039;s Low-Cost DSL&quot; is probably writing checks to AT&amp;T to use their existing telephone infrastructure. 

Inherently this wouldn&#039;t be a problem, but it means prices are more or less fixed across the board, with no one willing to give any significant competitive discounts or provide any significant additional services. It&#039;s a stable equilibrium that the telecomms have managed to find their way into, and they have no intention of changing the game now. In fact, they&#039;d rather turn their attention to intruding on one another&#039;s territory (like Verizon trying to enter the TV market with FIOS TV and claiming &quot;well competition is good now because we want a piece of the action.) rather than providing new and competitive services to customers. 

It takes only a quick look at the business headlines to see this - AT&amp;T merging with SBC and keeping the venerable AT&amp;T name, Verizon looking to finalize its merger with Worldcomm/MCI,  Comcast being the single largest cable provider anywhere in the country and owning the majority of the cable infrastructure, it&#039;s all there to see, and I think the real reason infrastructure and pricing are both stagnant is because the US telecomm industry simply doesn&#039;t have any motivation to reinvest their profits and upgrade services, even though they know they can at minimal cost to them and likely excellent return on investment, they simply don&#039;t want to take a risk. What happens to change those facts though, if anything, is another story.

As a side note, I&#039;m intrigued by the Bandwidth Buyers Guide - do you pull your same information from the sources that http://broadbandreports.com/ does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark: I think you&#8217;re absolutely right, but the reasons behind these facts isn&#8217;t that competition isn&#8217;t working because there&#8217;s competition, it&#8217;s that competition isn&#8217;t working because there just simply isn&#8217;t enough of it. </p>
<p>In most areas of the US that have broadband access, most consumers are pigeonholed into essentially two choices: cable or DSL, the former run by their local cable affiliate (likely Comcast) or the latter by their phone company. (likely Verizon, AT&#038;T, etc, but never more than one of these) Even in areas where there are more than these simple two options, the &#8220;competing&#8221; companies are renting their telephone and cable lines to provide DSL and cable service to customers FROM the major telecomms &#8211; meaning &#8220;Jim&#8217;s Cable Internet&#8221; in Ohio is probably paying Comcast for use of its lines, and &#8220;Bob&#8217;s Low-Cost DSL&#8221; is probably writing checks to AT&#038;T to use their existing telephone infrastructure. </p>
<p>Inherently this wouldn&#8217;t be a problem, but it means prices are more or less fixed across the board, with no one willing to give any significant competitive discounts or provide any significant additional services. It&#8217;s a stable equilibrium that the telecomms have managed to find their way into, and they have no intention of changing the game now. In fact, they&#8217;d rather turn their attention to intruding on one another&#8217;s territory (like Verizon trying to enter the TV market with FIOS TV and claiming &#8220;well competition is good now because we want a piece of the action.) rather than providing new and competitive services to customers. </p>
<p>It takes only a quick look at the business headlines to see this &#8211; AT&#038;T merging with SBC and keeping the venerable AT&#038;T name, Verizon looking to finalize its merger with Worldcomm/MCI,  Comcast being the single largest cable provider anywhere in the country and owning the majority of the cable infrastructure, it&#8217;s all there to see, and I think the real reason infrastructure and pricing are both stagnant is because the US telecomm industry simply doesn&#8217;t have any motivation to reinvest their profits and upgrade services, even though they know they can at minimal cost to them and likely excellent return on investment, they simply don&#8217;t want to take a risk. What happens to change those facts though, if anything, is another story.</p>
<p>As a side note, I&#8217;m intrigued by the Bandwidth Buyers Guide &#8211; do you pull your same information from the sources that <a href="http://broadbandreports.com/" rel="nofollow">http://broadbandreports.com/</a> does?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tomin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tomin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem that competition for US ISP&#039;s isn&#039;t really working. Prices aren&#039;t going anywhere speed+availability is years behind compared to Europe or Asia.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://bandwidthbuyersguide.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bandwidth Buyers Guide&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem that competition for US ISP&#8217;s isn&#8217;t really working. Prices aren&#8217;t going anywhere speed+availability is years behind compared to Europe or Asia.</p>
<p><a href="http://bandwidthbuyersguide.com" rel="nofollow">Bandwidth Buyers Guide</a></p>
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